# Change the whole scene/camera scale - possible? **URL:** \ **Category:** I'm Stuck\ **Created:** [November 15, 2021, 2:18am UTC](https://community.nianticspatial.com/t/change-the-whole-scene-camera-scale-possible/564 "2021-11-15T02:18:09Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 10\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Andrew\_Ted\_Tedford](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/niantic/user_avatar/community.nianticspatial.com/andrew_ted_tedford/32/206_2.png) [@Andrew\_Ted\_Tedford](https://community.nianticspatial.com/u/Andrew_Ted_Tedford)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2021, 2:18am UTC](https://community.nianticspatial.com/t/change-the-whole-scene-camera-scale-possible/564/1 "2021-11-15T02:18:09Z")
- **Issue category** : ARDK General - **Device type & OS version** :any/all - **Host machine & OS version** : n/a - **Issue Environment** : On Device - **Xcode version** :n/a - **ARDK version** : - **Unity version** :2019.4.32 Description of the issue: I’m looking to amend the whole scene scale! In AR Foundation, you increase the size of ARSessionOrigin and the scene is scaled accordingly. Is there a way to achieve the same in ARDK? I’ve tried increasing the scale of ARSceneManager and ARSceneCamera in the PlaneAnchor demo to no avail. I did place my machine gun prefab into an empty gameobject scaled at .5 but the animations attached no longer fit the gun, and the ejected bullets are full size, so there will be a lot of adjusting to do. So, amending the scene/camera/worls scale is best, but is there a way I wonder? ---
**Author:** ![Will\_Tesler](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/c5a1d2/32.png) [@Will\_Tesler](https://community.nianticspatial.com/u/Will_Tesler)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2021, 3:43am UTC](https://community.nianticspatial.com/t/change-the-whole-scene-camera-scale-possible/564/2 "2021-11-15T03:43:20Z")
Probably will need to use relative scales instead of absolute scales in the objects inside the scaler. ---
**Author:** ![Andrew\_Ted\_Tedford](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/niantic/user_avatar/community.nianticspatial.com/andrew_ted_tedford/32/206_2.png) [@Andrew\_Ted\_Tedford](https://community.nianticspatial.com/u/Andrew_Ted_Tedford)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2021, 1:43am UTC](https://community.nianticspatial.com/t/change-the-whole-scene-camera-scale-possible/564/3 "2021-11-16T01:43:01Z")
I’ve been through the scaling of the objects and children and particles, there was a lot to change as I have many different soldier assets with bombs and bullets, velocities, size, etc. A lot of work for a package to be amended to the right size. Making the particle scale to “hierarchy” was needed too. I think it’s pretty fiddly, I wish there was a way to edit the overall scale, then I can just drop Asset store packages in, resize the scene and use them as with AR Foundation. Future feature request maybe? ---
**Author:** ![Umaiya\_Doddamani1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/439d5e/32.png) [@Umaiya\_Doddamani1](https://community.nianticspatial.com/u/Umaiya_Doddamani1)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2021, 7:40pm UTC](https://community.nianticspatial.com/t/change-the-whole-scene-camera-scale-possible/564/4 "2021-11-17T19:40:12Z")
Hi Andrew, we’ve logged your feature request. Thank you for the suggestion! ---
**Author:** ![Tim\_Miller](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/niantic/user_avatar/community.nianticspatial.com/tim_miller/32/486_2.png) [@Tim\_Miller](https://community.nianticspatial.com/u/Tim_Miller)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2022, 11:51pm UTC](https://community.nianticspatial.com/t/change-the-whole-scene-camera-scale-possible/564/5 "2022-01-17T23:51:13Z")
Hello, has there been any progress on this feature request? Unfortunately not being able to easily/universally scale AR objects in the scene is a deal-breaker for anyone who would like to add complex physics objects to a Lightship project. For example I would not be able to scale up a car controller to real-world-size or down to toy-size without making numerous changes to the car controller and settings in Unity. And Unity’s physics system works best at 1:1 scale, so scaling a car down to 0.1 of it’s original size would cause issues. ---
**Author:** ![Umaiya\_Doddamani1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/439d5e/32.png) [@Umaiya\_Doddamani1](https://community.nianticspatial.com/u/Umaiya_Doddamani1)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2022, 7:27pm UTC](https://community.nianticspatial.com/t/change-the-whole-scene-camera-scale-possible/564/6 "2022-01-18T19:27:01Z")
Hi Tim, We are still working on this. We appreciate your patience while a resolution is found. We will update you here as new information flows in. Thanks ---
**Author:** ![David\_Quevedo](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/niantic/user_avatar/community.nianticspatial.com/david_quevedo/32/567_2.png) [@David\_Quevedo](https://community.nianticspatial.com/u/David_Quevedo)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2022, 12:22am UTC](https://community.nianticspatial.com/t/change-the-whole-scene-camera-scale-possible/564/7 "2022-01-27T00:22:23Z")
Hi Tim, as previously mentioned, we’ve logged the feature request, but we’re not able to give updates on a timeline for if and when such a feature would be implemented. That said, thank you so much for letting us know that the feature is important to your workflow! Hearing your feedback definitely helps us to understand what we should prioritize as we add more features to ARDK Lightship. ---
**Author:** ![Tim\_Miller](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/niantic/user_avatar/community.nianticspatial.com/tim_miller/32/486_2.png) [@Tim\_Miller](https://community.nianticspatial.com/u/Tim_Miller)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2022, 9:26pm UTC](https://community.nianticspatial.com/t/change-the-whole-scene-camera-scale-possible/564/8 "2022-01-28T21:26:45Z")
Thanks @David_Quevedo for the reply! For the record, here’s an example of the kind of gameplay I’m prototyping in Lightship: [https://twitter.com/rocket5tim/status/1487149247120257025](https://twitter.com/rocket5tim/status/1487149247120257025) It’s a physics-based character controller… If I had left it at the original scale, the character would be about 5 feet tall in AR space, but I wanted to test your meshing and occlusion with a small game-sized character in the real world. So I had to manually scale it down by 85% including numerous adjustments to attributes such as gravity, jump heights, move/rotation speeds etc which is a tedious process. ---
**Author:** ![cy1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a6a055/32.png) [@cy1](https://community.nianticspatial.com/u/cy1)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2023, 9:32pm UTC](https://community.nianticspatial.com/t/change-the-whole-scene-camera-scale-possible/564/9 "2023-03-31T21:32:09Z")
Hi @David_Quevedo, I just wanted to ask whether it has since become possible to scale the AR Session without scaling the generated mesh in ARDK? because I just stumbled upon this problem using a real world physics car controller to build a toy car remote control game in ARDK. Since in AR Foundation Session scaling is no problem I did not think it would be in ARDK. But could not figure it out by now. So maybe you have some advice for me on how to scale physics objects in ARDK properly. I would very much appreciate it! thank you very much ---
**Author:** ![Maverick\_Niantic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/8edcca/32.png) [@Maverick\_Niantic](https://community.nianticspatial.com/u/Maverick_Niantic)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2026, 11:50pm UTC](https://community.nianticspatial.com/t/change-the-whole-scene-camera-scale-possible/564/10 "2026-03-05T23:50:29Z")
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